2-cylce engine oil as an additive

[dieselnomad]

Hi,
There was some talk about using this in another thread (CT coffee nite). I've been doing some reading and found this guy's website (moparman1973). he has a ton of information and seems well researched so I thought I'd pass the link along.

http://mopar.mopar1973man.com/2002%20Dodge/Tips%20&%20Tricks/2%20cycle%20oil/2_cycle_oil.htm

:smokin:

[Jim]

thanks art! like I said i have been doing 16oz per tankful strictly as a ulsd lube. If I have 15/40 wmo from a change in the 3rd gen I will use up to a gallon of that per tankful.

[dieselnomad]

You won't use the beer, er, i meant WMO from the 12-valve, only from the newer truck?
Also, what kind of filtration do you put the used oil through before using it? I've read everything from 500micron to "it's already filtered" . lol

For the longest time I've only added powerservice, which according to that link is not good. Also, marvel mystery oil is supposed to be quite bad, but I had thought the opposite.

[Jim]

the 12 valve gets synthetic, shes my baby.

And the answer to the 2nd part of your question is "its already filtered":smilielol:

[dieselnomad]

LOL Sounds good for me.

I switched over two weekends ago from rotella 15w-40 to valvoline 15w-40. It's a ci4-plus oil so it's better rated and cummins approved. I'll probably burn that stuff in the injector after 4k on it...

[PToombs]

I have a question for you computer cruzers. I can get a LOT of waste hydraulic oil at work. I was going to start adding some to my tank next summer. Then I got to wondering if the additives in the oil will hurt anything? I looked a little on the 'net, didn't find any info on using hyd oil.
Can you guys help me out?

[dieselnomad]

Hey Pete,
What additives? AFAIK, hydraulic oil is like straight 5W-30 or 5W-40. As long as it's not synthetic I don't think it will matter. When I drain my tractors every few years I keep most of the drain as bar oil for my chain saws. I've had great luck with that thus far. Maybe worth doing some readin on 5w-30 or jd303 hydraulic oil to see what is in that stuff... It's thinner than regular oil for sure... lots thinner..

[PToombs]

Art, not motor oil. Hydraulic is different stuff. AW46, AW68. The difference in those 2 is the viscosity. Some of the machines at work use motor oil as hydraulic oil.

You just gave me an idea though! Just save the oil from the skidsteers and some loader trannys! :woohoo:

[95Cummins]

Hydraulic oil is much like Automatic trans fluid I think. One of my friends runs about a quart a tank of that in his truck. I don't think thats a very good idea, seeing as how ATF is supposed to help friction, not worsen friction like normal oils.

[Jim]

id look into it before putting it in. I know stuff like 75/90 diff fluid DEFENETLY is no good to add.:TqT: :stirthepot:

[DOUG]

ATF is hydraulic fluid. Places that take waste oil for recycling purposes will generally refuse hydraulic fluid (ATF).

[dieselnomad]

ATF is hydraulic fluid. Places that take waste oil for recycling purposes will generally refuse hydraulic fluid (ATF).

That's a good call, DOUG. But, I'm not sure all hydraulic is ATF, as there are different grades. Either way, I don't think it's a good idea. I realized this after reading your post and thought :idea: I put hydraulic fluid right into my tractor's transmission which the hydra pump shares... hmmm...

I pulled this from the "Oil Bible"

--snip--
"Automatic transmission fluid (ATF) is used in passenger car and commercial vehicle automatic
transmissions as well as some industrial applications that require hydraulic fluids with extreme high or
low temperature performance capabilities. Almost half of ATF goes to the automotive transmission
market.
A vehicle's transmission is the first link in transmitting the engine's power to the wheels. An automatic
transmission uses a hydraulic coupling between the engine and the gears. The hydraulic coupling,
rather than the driver, does the work of selecting gears.
Automatic transmission fluid serves as a hydraulic fluid, transmitting power from the engine to the
gears, and serves as a lubricant, cooling the torque converter assembly and lubricating the
transmission gears. ATF is perhaps the most complex lubricant in existence.
Due to the extremely narrow passageways in their electronic shift selectors, automatic transmissions
are extremely sensitive to fluid viscosity and do not function properly when cold thickens ATF
GETTING YOUR VEHICLE IN MOTION
ATF: THE MOST COMPLEX LUBRICANT ON THE PLANET
excessively. This is why the superior low temperature fluidity characteristics of synthetics are
necessary.
Also, due to their extremely high operating temperatures, automatic transmissions tend to thermally and
oxidatively degrade ATF rapidly. Synthetic ATF is much more thermally and oxidatively stable than
petroleum ATF. Therefore, it maintains its superior lubricating qualities and resists the formation of
sludge, varnish, deposits and acids which can harm your vehicle's transmission."
--snip--

You can get the Oil Bible here: TheMotorOilSite.com

I cannot vouch for it's accuracy, but it seems to be believable. Also, i haven't visited that site in a while so .. ... :professor:

ps. politics, religion, oil = three very hot volatile topics :smilielol: And, omg, they are all interlinked now. Gee. :smilielol:

[PToombs]

That's why I got to wondering about the hydraulic oil. I know ATF is really not good for them. I don't think hyd has the friction modifiers in it, but I'm sure it has other stuff that's bad.
It figures, we get lots of hydraulic oil too. :dunno:

[dieselnomad]

Do some more research, Pete. Like I said, i use the waste hydra oil as chainsaw bar lube which I know is totally different use, but it works OK.

:idea: Hey, maybe you could start a business reselling used oil for misc use like chainsaw bar lube? Not a bad idea since all oil is going to start being really expensive (more than now eventually).

You probably have access to decent biodiesel too, right?

[killed300ex]

[QUOTE=dieselnomad;26303] I realized this after reading your post and thought :idea: I put hydraulic fluid right into my tractor's transmission which the hydra pump shares... hmmm...



They make a special oil for tractors to use in the trans/hydro pump. We buy it in 5 gal pails at the farm i grew up on.

[Jim]

They make a special oil for tractors to use in the trans/hydro pump. We buy it in 5 gal pails at the farm i grew up on.

They make special tools called box wrenches and sockets but that dont stop ya from using channel locks:stirthepot: :smilielol:

[dieselnomad]

Yes, I get those now, it says on the 5W-30 hyd oil. I beg forgiveness but I"ll check this in the AM as it's too cold and I'm in for the nite. Tomorrow I'll check the full label on an industrial hyd oil I have. 'nite all.

[dieselnomad]

They make special tools called box wrenches and sockets but that dont stop ya from using channel locks:stirthepot: :smilielol:

:falldownlaugh:

[PToombs]

Well, did ya check it? :poke:

[dieselnomad]

Well, did ya check it? :poke:

:smilielol: yea, just like 15 min ago.

Amsoil Synthetic Hydraulic Transmission Oil; 5W-30. They refer to it as ATH.

Here's the data sheet: http://www.amsoil.com/storefront/ath.aspx

obviously you wouldn't run this anyway since it's synthetic... I'd check out what type of fluid is being used at work and then compare the properties between that oil and motor oil.

[dieselnomad]

Here's a couple more to look at:

http://www.oiluk.net/pdf/3504%20Gulf%20Harmony%20AW.pdf

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydraulic_fluid

I'm not sure i'd run this oil in the truck as fuel additive...

[killed300ex]

They make special tools called box wrenches and sockets but that dont stop ya from using channel locks:stirthepot: :smilielol:

:falldownlaugh: just fell out of my chair when I read that channel locks and duck tape all it takes to hold a dodge together mines living proof :97DodgeCTD:

[PToombs]

Is duck tape what they use on a ducks azz to make it watertight? :dunno:

[mudrunner2645]

ive been a little leary about putting any additives in my 03 cummins truck but a former gm engineier told the dealer techs once to put a qt of atf in the tank of the dmax trucks once in a while due to the high detergent content. it really did seem to run smoother afterward. why is atf bad?

[BlkRam1]

ATF is not meant to burn, however a lot of old timers did run it.

[turbo246]

ATF is not meant to burn, however a lot of old timers did run it.

a guy up the road from me has a chevy kodiak with a durmax and he puts in ATF , i tried to tell him not to but he was stubborn and said has had no probs.

I have about 20 gallons of fuel in my tank can i dump in some wallmart oil followed by a few gallons or should i wait untill i get down low and ahve to fill up at a station? im just afraid it wont mix nice

[dieselnomad]

I would wait until the next fill up and put an oz of 2-cycle to each gallon you put in.

[turbo246]

I would wait until the next fill up and put an oz of 2-cycle to each gallon you put in.

yea i was plannin on puttin in the 16oz bottle of the wallmart 2 cycle followed by two gallons i have in a can of fuel but i guess ill have to wait a few weeks for the next tank

[robmoore11]

I have a 1995 dodge ram 12v I'm reading about this adding 2 stroke oil into the motors? What's it supposed to do, help lubricate the inside of my motor? Can I just go to walmart and buy any old 2 cycle motor oil?

[Jim]

It lubes the Injector pump and injectors. Any ashless TCW3 2 stroke oil is OK. Walmart supertech is probably the cheapest and easiest to find.

[Mopar Mike J]

I have a 1995 dodge ram 12v I'm reading about this adding 2 stroke oil into the motors? What's it supposed to do, help lubricate the inside of my motor? Can I just go to walmart and buy any old 2 cycle motor oil?

Not in the motor but in the fuel tank!

[Hawker]

helpful chart. i've found the opti-lube works better than the 2 cycle

If you read the chart, it's basically showing the Power Services has little to no positive effect on lubricity
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j48/dribone/chart.jpg

[robmoore11]

Not in the motor but in the fuel tank!

i know hah. and thanks jim.

[robmoore11]

Anyone recomend putting royal purple 15w 40 in the tank?

[DOUG]

That is an expensive additive!!

[Mopar Mike J]

Think I read somewhere NOT to use a synthetic.

[robmoore11]

Yeah it is. Have left over from my oil change. And I read that aswell but then I read about a couple doing it so wasn't sure why not

[jsf350]

super tech- 2 stroke outboard oil @ walmart for 10 per gallon

i dont run it all the time-

[mmasuperman12]

yeah i run a quart of 2 stroke just about every other fuel up or about once a week since that is about how quick it goes...damn 70 mile round trip to work...

[robmoore11]

super tech- 2 stroke outboard oil @ walmart for 10 per gallon

i dont run it all the time-

That's what I use. I put 1 litre of the supertech in every other fill up. Recomend I put a little more? Was thinking maybe 1.5 liters and a bit of the service Kleen Additive stuff

[robmoore11]

yeah i run 2 stroke just about every other fuel up or about once a week since that is about how quick it goes...damn 70 mile round trip to work...

Holy .... man haha. I work maybe at max 2 miles from home :p

[mmasuperman12]

Holy .... man haha. I work maybe at max 2 miles from home :p

yeah it doesnt seem that bad though just about 45 minutes each way... i need to move closer to the highway!

[robmoore11]

yeah it doesnt seem that bad though just about 45 minutes each way... i need to move closer to the highway!

Yeah that's not to bad. Seems like the diesels run better on longer trips anyways. Mileage is much better rather than always shutting on and off.

[mmasuperman12]

yeah especially when i drive the wifes TDI jetta...44mpg 2 gallons a day. i think i burn that before i hit the highway on my way into work! i now just need to buy her somethign else so i can use that for a DD instead of my truck. getting to expensive but to hard driving that jetta when i have my truck i hear it cry when i walk by it and hop in her car somedays. haha

[robmoore11]

What year is that car? Cause I want my gf to get a vw is it a diesel?

[mmasuperman12]

its an 04 jetta TDI (turbo diesel) i freaking love it but i just have a fear of cars complex honestly, i have never owned anything 2wd before this... but the car is awesome pretty comfy for short drives nothing like the truck on a long haul took it to NYC and back about 4.5 each way and my back was killing me when i drove my truck 22 hours straigh from KS to ME no stops but fuel and felt great.

but i would definitly recommend the tdi it is awesome MPG wise especially the newer ones are pretty comfy too though.

[turbo246]

its an 04 jetta TDI (turbo diesel) i freaking love it but i just have a fear of cars complex honestly, i have never owned anything 2wd before this... but the car is awesome pretty comfy for short drives nothing like the truck on a long haul took it to NYC and back about 4.5 each way and my back was killing me when i drove my truck 22 hours straigh from KS to ME no stops but fuel and felt great.

but i would definitly recommend the tdi it is awesome MPG wise especially the newer ones are pretty comfy too though.

i bought a 2010 tdi a few weeks ago and love it... the power is amazing

[450smrider]

i always put at least 2-stroke oil or some 911 into my tank every time i fill up have gotten bad fuel way to many times to chance another vp....and as far as hydro oil i was always told its the dirtiest of all oils kinda like diesel is to gas its the waste product from making better oils

[RI Chevy]

I have run Stanadyne or Power Service with 2 stroke oil since my truck was new, and have had no problems (8 ounces of fuel supplement and 12 ounces of 2 stroke per fill up). The 2 stoke does make a real difference in keeping the injectors quiet. I would not use Diesel 911 as a regular fuel supplement. It should be used as an emergency only. Just my 2 cents.

[Jim]

i bought a 2010 tdi a few weeks ago and love it... the power is amazing

Still stand by that statement? :stirthepot::smilielol: