That's It ..... FUEL DEBATE!!!!! Let's get it started! It's too quiet!

[<T M T T>]

O.K people let her rip whaddyah think?

Long of the short is and we all know the common denominator here $$$$$'S. They say supply and demand is the reason ..... Seen any gas stations out of fuel lateley? They say refinery damage and drilling rig damage from the hurricane .... hmmmmm with big money vested don'tcha think that they would be all set now? They say vehicles consume more fuel now than in the 70's. ..... Really Toyota corrolas , civics , and that ass wiping prius consumes more? They say that the cost of refinement has gone up ... well isn't the cost set by the oil company that engineers and builds their own refinement ewuipment spec'd out by their own companies?

Welcome to the "New" economy folks. :nutkick:

[dieselnomad]

Well if the price surge is reflected from damage from the hurricane, I say what hurricane? Katrina? Wasn't that almost a couple yrs ago now? So, why then did the price go up and then back down now back up? Hurricane? I think not.

It's all price control from the big oil companies- they are making billions in profits. However, I do think they are doing some kind of last gold rush before we start seeing steep drop offs in availability.

I had a flex-fuel car owner give me poop about my truck the other day. They are very easy to shut up.
a) I drive almost a 10 yr old truck, bought used - "how many gallons of oil did it take to make your shiney new SUV?"
b) My truck can run on truely alternative fuels - biodiesel, grease/wvo, other oil types, etc - "what is your flex-fuel? E85? Gee, how many gallons of crude/diesel did it take to generate one gallon of E85?"

I could go on. The person was very upset at the end of the conversation though - it ended something like, you were had, your emotions were played and you just provided more profit for the big oil, chemical, bio-agri, and automotive companies. :AJ:

Either way, these prices won't really matter until they nearly double. I saw some dude pumping 80+bux into his suburban and didn't seem effected by it at all... :falldownlaugh:

Wow, too much typing this early..

[12PACK]

Another point to make to a gas loving commuter is how more refined gas is compared to diesel fuel. Converting sweet crude to gas is a longer trip than converting it to our choice of liquid. How much energy does that take?

[TORQUE THIS]

My feeling is that it is being driven up by "speculation on Wall Street"

Has nothing to do with politics, big oil, or demand...

[dieselnomad]

My feeling is that it is being driven up by "speculation on Wall Street"

Has nothing to do with politics, big oil, or demand...

That's a very good point- they can hype futures on something just to quick grab some extra money...

Hey, here's a good conspiracy theory, the govt will step in just before official start of summer and say they are cutting taxes on fuel, then ratings will increase. And, from me, black smoke will increase ... :falldownlaugh: :stirthepot:

[Jim]

CT is talking about suspending the Gas tax for a few months, Right now #2 is $2.89 Reg unleadded is about %3.10 If that was flip-flopped Id be more pi$$ed off then I am already about the whole thing. Ive been adding 5 gals of either WMO/WVO to each tank, which brings the price down to about $2.40 a gal. per fillup.

[TORQUE THIS]

I've been paying $3.05 for #2...

I thought the tax in CT was 40 or 50 cents, they claim 25 in news stories :dunno:

[PToombs]

I think they mean more cars burning fuel, not less MPG. Fuel here is about 2.95, regular is 3.08- 3.12.

[dieselnomad]

I've been paying 2.69-2.89 for a looong time, like all winter. And, last few tanks have been ULSD, and I expected a price hike after that... it takes more refining from what i've read. (has anyone noticed it smells like powerservice? )

Where are you guys getting your wvo and what are you doing to treat it before dumping in? I want to start doing that.

[mal91152]

I get all I want from the local Chinese resturants. Guys you should check the quality of the oil you get. If it is really burnt it is not as good. I run a titration and the good stuff I use for biodiesel and the bad I use for heating the house and barn. Filtering is a must and very easy to do. If anyone is interested I will hold a demo on how to make biodiesel at my barn.

[NHRedneck]

I get all I want from the local Chinese resturants. Guys you should check the quality of the oil you get. If it is really burnt it is not as good. I run a titration and the good stuff I use for biodiesel and the bad I use for heating the house and barn. Filtering is a must and very easy to do. If anyone is interested I will hold a demo on how to make biodiesel at my barn.

i just wanna know where i can pick up some nice 5 micron filters so that i can start running WMO/ WATF in my truck..... ive got thousands of gallons of it at my disposal each week LOL

[Jim]

I would probably shy away from the ATF, esp. if you have WMO at your "disposal":smilielol: Matt I would defenetly be interested. Throw out a date:)

[mal91152]

Ok just have to check on my schedule. Is a Saturday or Sunday better??

[TORQUE THIS]

I thought ATF was very good for a 12 valve...

Sunday would be good for me... Mornings???

BTW, what do you think of ctfisherman charging a membership fee? I'm not paying it.

[Jim]

I dunno I always understood it had properties that made it lees prone to burn off:dunno: Sundays are decent for me as long as Im not working, maybe start a thread with a Poll to see whats best for those interested....

[TORQUE THIS]

My grandfather had an 89 3500, one of the first production trucks... he ALWAYS used the ATF. One quart to every fill-up. He was a Cummins, as well as a Detroit Diesel mechanic for many years...

[dieselnomad]

I dunno I always understood it had properties that made it lees prone to burn off:dunno: Sundays are decent for me as long as Im not working, maybe start a thread with a Poll to see whats best for those interested....


Matt, if you specify sat or sun can you include a date? sometimes weekends are tough... This all sounds good, btw.

[12PACK]

I thought the tax in CT was 40 or 50 cents, they claim 25 in news stories :dunno:

I just did some Googling and the diesel tax in CT is $.26 and $.25 for gasoline and gasohol. This is what they're probably mean, but doesn't include the $.244 the Fed gets for diesel and the $.184 for gas per gallon. Makes you feel like this poor guy, :nutkick: doesn't it?

With that much revenue coming in (~ $.50 for every gallon sold) why are alot of the roads in bridges in the shape they're in.

#2 is running ~$.12 per gallon less than 87 in my part of MA.

[NHRedneck]

CT is talking about suspending the Gas tax for a few months, Right now #2 is $2.89 Reg unleadded is about %3.10 If that was flip-flopped Id be more pi$$ed off then I am already about the whole thing. Ive been adding 5 gals of either WMO/WVO to each tank, which brings the price down to about $2.40 a gal. per fillup.

are you filtering you WMO/WVO if so how small are you filtering to? 5 micron? and where do you get your filters 2?

I would probably shy away from the ATF, esp. if you have WMO at your "disposal":smilielol: Matt I would defenetly be interested. Throw out a date:)

well actually its easier for me to grab the container off of the atf flush machine and dump it into a 5 gal pail than it is for me to put my 5gallon pail in the top of my drain bucket to gather all the oil......

I thought ATF was very good for a 12 valve...

Sunday would be good for me... Mornings???

BTW, what do you think of ctfisherman charging a membership fee? I'm not paying it.

ive heard mixed reviews of the atf burning...... anyone who gets wmo from a bulk oil disposal container is getting atf mixed in there without a doubt.

i can also steal the left over from the catch bucket that sits under out oil pumps and use that to mix in my fuel as that stuff hasnt even been used before, but it would still need to be filtered......

i dont really think i could kill my p pump or injectors with 5 gallons wmo/watf mixes every tank...

[HoleshotHolset]

I thought ATF was very good for a 12 valve...

You also thought chocolate milk was good for ISBs...what's your point exactly? :smokin:

Beers,

Matt

[Big John]

Did I miss the date announcement for the "Bio-diesel brewing 101" class, I'd be interested, may even bring some beans...:stirthepot:

[Jim]

Nope, Just waiting for a date thats convienent with Matt.

[mal91152]

Sorry guys, I have been busy (honey do list) but either next Sat or Sunday works for me. Anyone good with older outboard (johnson) 140's? Overheating problems.

[Jim]

Next sun would be best for me out of those 2 days

[dieselnomad]

good for me too :) later in the day is better since I play ball in the AM that day. Looking forward to it.

[Jim]

Just payed $3.34 a gallon, and it isnt even truly home heating oil season yet!

I was talking to Jim from James heating oil by the shop today again, and he said expect Home heating oil to be $4 a gallon in January. So what will that make Diesel, $4.75 a gal?

Oh well Still drivin the good 'Ol CTD

:smokin:

[TORQUE THIS]

I just paid 3.69 here in Bpt...

[dieselnomad]

The cheapest I can find right now is 3.29/gal. I've seen up to 3.49/gal. HHO is like 2.70 from my local distributor. I say if HHO goes to 4, on road diesel will be 4.75 to 5.00/gal.

Imagine what this will do to the cost/price of goods, and then the economy. At that point it will cost me approx 10.00 to commute to work, but what about a 10.00/gal of milk? NUTZ !

I think something bad is going to happen....

[12PACK]

I went into Boston yesterday. The Mass Pike (90) Mobil stations around Natick were $3.40 in the morning. I went by them again early afternoon and they were $3.42.

Even the fuel company I'm buying from was $3.00 on 10/18, the last time I filled up. I'm going to need fuel in the next week. Do I take my chances that it will go up and get :nutkick: right now, or do I go in 5 or 6 days and get a double :nutkick: :nutkick: when a barrell is over $100.

It hasn't even got cold yet. :wtf2:

[Jim]

was $3.69 for the Bio, Mark?

12pack Im keeping mine topped off every time it goes down to 3/4.

[dieselnomad]

Jim,
Good practice.
I'm hedging like that too. Plus I'm getting multiple feeds of WMO from co-workers and I'm using some other fuel too... ;-)

[TORQUE THIS]

was $3.69 for the Bio, Mark?

12pack Im keeping mine topped off every time it goes down to 3/4.

No, the Citgo by me in Bpt. Other than that, I have seen $3.55 at a few places. Not sure what the bio is going for.

[sooter]

how come fuel will go up more than once a day on the fuel that's in a station's tanks, yet will take two weeks to go down in price on the same batch of fuel???

[TORQUE THIS]

how come fuel will go up more than once a day on the fuel that's in a station's tanks, yet will take two weeks to go down in price on the same batch of fuel???

I've been wondering that for a long time...

[<T M T T>]

Better yet why is it the same thing for fuel that has allready been refined and produced not yet delivered?

[Jim]

It must be all about speculation I presume. What a scam.

[PToombs]

Just filled up the service truck at work. Glad I don't pay that bill, $3.49 X 65 gallons! :nutkick:

[dieselnomad]

Saw 3.699999 / gal tonight...

after that I did several hammer-down events... mad as hell and ain't gonna take it kinda showings... lol :smilielol:

With this going on, heating oil is going to definitely break new highs this winter... :\|

[05lonestar]

saw 3.759 a gallon in greenwich at the shell station off exit 3 on west putnam ave :omg:

[97dodgectd]

so how much wmo can i run in my truck at once and i can i run it straight? or does it have to mixed well with diesel? and is it winter safe, and what about running synthetic wmo is that fine cause my friend races motorcross and changes his oil every 4-6 hours he rides his bikes so its super clean oil but its fully synthetic.

[Mopar Mike J]

I think I read somewhere to stay away from synthetics in your fuel.

[Jim]

ya I agree. but as far as wmo goes, a gal per tank is fine.

[dieselnomad]

no synthetic, it disolves things like rings...

oil closed at 98.76/barrel yesterday. Good article on energy front page of the globe today. Within the week, i bet we see it close at 100/barrel. It's only a matter of time... Then we'll see......

[PRattenbury]

We should find out who's responsible for this idiocy, driva all our trucks to wherever he/they are, line up our exhausts with their driver's windows, and smoke the piss outta them. :compaq:

[Schoust]

If anyones interested I have a still and some other things to go along with it that I will be looking to move. Pm me if interested...

[DOUG]

Reminds me to fill my truck before we get into CT on Saturday. It's cheaper up this way.

[97dodgectd]

ya I agree. but as far as wmo goes, a gal per tank is fine.

so why would you run wmo if you can only run a 1:29 ratio or whatever size tank you have.

[DOUG]

so why would you run wmo if you can only run a 1:29 ratio or whatever size tank you have.

Lubrication...wih the ULSD fuel you need more lubricity.

[BelgianMagic]

so how much wmo can i run in my truck at once and i can i run it straight? or does it have to mixed well with diesel? and is it winter safe, and what about running synthetic wmo is that fine cause my friend races motorcross and changes his oil every 4-6 hours he rides his bikes so its super clean oil but its fully synthetic.

I was told synthetics will kill the seals in your pumps:exactly:

[BelgianMagic]

$3.59 here in Salem
$3.43 last night in Nashua :omg:

[12PACK]

Two places in town are $3.35. I filled up at my oil company but didn't call them to see what the price was. The pump only tells you how many gallons. I'm guessing it was in the $3.15-$3.20 range so I won't complain with the prices the rest of you guys are posting.

[Jim]

Yup. Like Doug said. :exactly:

[NHRedneck]

no synthetic, it disolves things like rings...

oil closed at 98.76/barrel yesterday. Good article on energy front page of the globe today. Within the week, i bet we see it close at 100/barrel. It's only a matter of time... Then we'll see......

Art, how the hell would synthetic oils in the combustion chamber dissolve your piston rings??? last time i checked, if that same synthetic oil was in the crank case it would end up on the cylinder walls as lubrication, and get scraped off by the oil rings..... so how would this dissolve the piston rings?

I was told synthetics will kill the seals in your pumps:exactly:

what pumps/seals are we talking about here flip?.... my p pump doesnt really use much fuel for lubrication, where as the vp 44 and cp3 use the fuel as the primary source of lubrication.

[dieselnomad]

Dave, just passing on what I've read in two places. You bring up a good point, no doubt, but if you pull an oil analysis, you'll notice that at given times there is a fare amount of diesel in oil pollution that happens depending on the operating temp of the engine. So, I shy from it in general. I'll try and look up my original source and pass that along. I had used like 8 gals of synth in the tank with no ill effects or change in oil reports, so go figure...

[NHRedneck]

kool art, id love to read it, though it seems like i will disagree with it. im not trying to start a fight or anything, its just one of those things that i read that just didnt seem right at all. i just cant seem to figure how synthetic oils in the combustion chamber could cause ring wear/ deterioration.

[dieselnomad]

no, no fight needin'. I've been searching for the posts where I read it and all i can find is that it is bad for the system overall, too detergent like, which could effect combustion components. You can find the same stuff if you search for
"synthetic wmo + cummins" or there some variant. I'll continue looking tomorrow and let you know if I find the exact post/source I fuzzily recall :)

(might be cummins for all I remember, just remember not using my synth wmo cause of reading it..)

[Smokin']

The local heating company just delivered around 150 gal. of off road diesel to work today for our fork lifts.....$3.40 a gallon!:eek: That's $.05 more than ON ROAD around here latley! I guess thy might have a little insight on the future.:wtf2:

[dieselnomad]

that's wicked bad... someone might want to call to make sure the right pricing was applied. if it was.. we should all run for cover...

If i make it to coffee nite this year, it might be on bicycle, and gotta get a few days head start.. :omg:

[TORQUE THIS]

Someone I work with just got a delivery this am, $3.19 a gallon. And because they needed oil, $150 extra for emergency delivery.

[12PACK]

A guy I work with paid $3.04 last week and I thought that was bad.

[dieselnomad]

FOR HEATING OIL, RIGHT, guys? Wow, this is not good...

[12PACK]

FOR HEATING OIL, RIGHT, guys? Wow, this is not good...

Yes. $3.04 for home heating oil. Maybe we could do a group buy on windmills. :smilielol:

[dieselnomad]

I dunno 'bout that. Wind is way down from what I remember in November in MA... :nutkick:
I only do hot-water w/ oil in my house and at that price, showers are going to be short.. lol

[sooter]

anybody have to remortgage their house to pay for fuel? we're running around 3:40ish a gallon now...higher in maine and i'm sure in mass (especially those mass pike plaza ripoffs). we filled up the house a month ago at 2 something a gallon, but we, like you nomad, are on oil/water heat.

spaceheaters anyone?:dunno:

[dieselnomad]

yes, woodstoves ! If you can heat w/ wood, go for it. It's a bit of work, but it really helps out. And, a nice modern wood stove is cleaner than heating with devils tea...

[sooter]

we're thinking of getting a pellet stove for downstairs. clean..

[dieselnomad]

we're thinking of getting a pellet stove for downstairs. clean..

check the price of pellets first. It might put you off. And, if you use a wood stove, you can burn lots of stuff... In slim times, I'll burn a lot of different things... I luv it when a yuppie tells me, "this pine isn't good to burn". Oh yea, fine, I'll take it (I sweep my own chimneys so I know what it does)

OK, now for the BIG GRIPE. 150.9 GAL @ 3.10/GAL delivered today for home heating oil. :nutkick: :nutkick: :nutkick:

Does anyone here do heating/cooling stuff? I'd like to look into moving away from oil altogether - as it is now, I only use oil for hotwater, but that's getting too expensive. I'd like to use wood at this point for everything- and not with an outdoor wood burning furnace..

um, OK ,diesel trucks... IT'S GETTING really expensive to operate !! What are you guys doing to compensate for the gross increase in fuel????

[TORQUE THIS]

What are you guys doing to compensate for the gross increase in fuel????


What can we really do? I don't go out unless it is necessary...

Thinking of finding a real ghetto ride for the winter months. The wifes Jetta TDI is going to see much more use on the weekends...

[dieselnomad]

agreed... I was looking at getting a moped or something..

sometimes when I leave my truck at massDiesel I pull a 10-speed outta the back so I can ride to work. It makes Scott smile, I asked Bobbie how many customers did this, his reply was "none, your a freak man, have fun" LOL

Good that your wife has a jetta tdi, still relatively fun to drive.

[sooter]

time to go buy a $500 volkswagon diesel. i think i can get straight vegetable oil cheaper per gallon at market basket than diesel at the gas stations.

as for myself, keep driving and keep working:dunno:

[PToombs]

Sooter, when you say "downstairs", do you mean basement? If so, don't do it! I replaced the wood stove with a pellet stove in my basement. It's not living quarters, just washer and dryer, storage and stuff. The heat is different, it doesn't radiate like wood. Put the pellet stove in the living area, so it heats where you are. The way my house is set up, I can't do it, unless I put a hole into the attached garage, then up thru the roof. I like the less mess of pellets, less handleing, less work, but I'm not impressed with the heat.
I built ducts and a manifold, the stove pushes most heat right upstairs now, but it's still not great.

[dieselnomad]

Sooter, when you say "downstairs", do you mean basement? If so, don't do it! I replaced the wood stove with a pellet stove in my basement. It's not living quarters, just washer and dryer, storage and stuff. The heat is different, it doesn't radiate like wood. Put the pellet stove in the living area, so it heats where you are. The way my house is set up, I can't do it, unless I put a hole into the attached garage, then up thru the roof. I like the less mess of pellets, less handleing, less work, but I'm not impressed with the heat.
I built ducts and a manifold, the stove pushes most heat right upstairs now, but it's still not great.

wood stove; wood stove; wood stove.

Manage the mess, it's not that bad. I use rubbermaid bins to hold my wood. all the debris remains in the bins. I take it back outside and put the debris, dust, etc in the woods.

The heat from the wood stove is strong and awesome. In my main living space it's like 85F, next area 72F, upstairs for sleeping 68F. It's perfect. (I have a small house, about 1100sq feet (small by todays standards)).

Guys, the last two winters I've paid 0 for my wood. I get it from roadside and form utility cos that don't want the wood. Sure, it's some work, but it saves $$ for BOMBS LOL
Sooter, you do landscape, right, take wood off of customers which don't need it, need cutting, etc. I can help, can have an arborist eval for them...

[PToombs]

Sure, it's some work,


Hence, the issue! :omg:

[sooter]

yes, downstairs = finished...computer room w/tv, sofa, and other junk and then the utilities area. i know wood stoves are great for heat...but only if they're outside. we will not have one in the house due to the smoke (don't want any...at all...in the house). no room to put a pellet stove upstairs (split foyer style house).

yeah, i can get a lot of wood for free that's for sure. there is a house up the road a mile or so with an outside wood furnace that's pretty cool.

btw, mom has a wood-style propane stove as auxilary (rarely used) heat and it works pretty darn well. the gas is usually just left for the stove though.

[dieselnomad]

Hence, the issue! :omg:

Well then, it's not for all. I can say that heating w/ wood heats me three times, if not more. When I cut it, split it, stack it, burn it.. . . Anyway. stay warm and safe all. :exactly:

[sooter]

Well then, it's not for all. I can say that heating w/ wood heats me three times, if not more. When I cut it, split it, stack it, burn it.. . . Anyway. stay warm and safe all. :exactly:



doesn't hugging them make you feel all warm inside too???

[TORQUE THIS]

OUCH... reports of diesel on the northern west coast... $3.90 a gallon

[DOUG]

OUCH... reports of diesel on the northern west coast... $3.90 a gallon

I heard $4.00+ here by January. My truck will be guarding the driveway quite a bit this winter...:wtf2:

[dieselnomad]

I went by the fuel place/depot this AM - Off road diesel = 3.04; home heating oil 3.0999; on road fuel 3.45

People are going to freeze this winter if this keeps up...

[PToombs]

Unless they burn wood, then they'll get warm 3 times! :Paully6: :stirthepot:

[dieselnomad]

If i recall correctly, a certain PToombs was cutting wood in August on a 90F day, same day I was hanging a door in my house. HOW WARM were ya then there BUDDY ? !? :stirthepot: :HoleShotHolset: :nutkick:
LOL
Idea is to STAY warm

[sooter]

don't be surprised if our economy goes into a recession and then into a depression (as some "big" economists are now predicting)

[dieselnomad]

NO doubt man, no doubt. Can you cite anything worth reading here for us??

[12PACK]

Two places in town are $3.35. I filled up at my oil company but didn't call them to see what the price was. The pump only tells you how many gallons. I'm guessing it was in the $3.15-$3.20 range so I won't complain with the prices the rest of you guys are posting.

I got the bill today. $3.28. Not as bad as the $3.43 & $3.45 in town but still it's a :nutkick: .

[PToombs]

If i recall correctly, a certain PToombs was cutting wood in August on a 90F day, same day I was hanging a door in my house. HOW WARM were ya then there BUDDY ? !? :stirthepot:
LOL
Idea is to STAY warm

IIRC, I was cleaning up a tree that went down. I put the willow to the curb! :poke:

My father, on the other hand, always went to the wood lot on the hottest day of the year! Glad I got common sense from Mom! :woohoo:

[mudrunner2645]

whatever the reason for the fuel prices i just spent $95 to fill my dodge :wtf2:

[12PACK]

I saw two places in town that have broken the $3.50 mark. It must be close to $3.70 in CT since they seem higher than here. :dunno: :wtf2:

[PToombs]

$3.59 where I usually get fuel, place 1 mile away is $3.69! Stupid Sunoco! :nutkick:

[97dodgectd]

I saw two places in town that have broken the $3.50 mark. It must be close to $3.70 in CT since they seem higher than here. :dunno: :wtf2:

its 3.55 in my town, but i only live 20 miles from the ct/ma line so its not too bad for me yet.

[sooter]

isn't straight vegetable, peanut, and canola oil cheaper by the gallon at the local grocery store than diesel? sheesh

"honey, why did you buy 35 gallons of vegitable oil?"

[PToombs]

A friend was telling me a guy he knows is buying fryer oil at the grocery store. It's about a $1.70 a gallon in 5 gallon jugs! :idea:

[TORQUE THIS]

Where is this? The local Costco is about 23.00 for 5 gallons...

[PToombs]

Darned if I know! :dunno: I'll try to find out, letcha know! :HoleShotHolset:

[12PACK]

I was on the Pike yesterday, going into Boston. The two Mobil stations in Natick and Framingham, I think, about 3 miles from each other, are now Gulf stations. I think they were still Mobil when I last went by in early November.

$3.64. :nutkick:

[turbo246]

I was on the Pike yesterday, going into Boston. The two Mobil stations in Natick and Framingham, I think, about 3 miles from each other, are now Gulf stations. I think they were still Mobil when I last went by in early November.

$3.64. :nutkick:

i travel on the pike twice a week from CT all the way where the pike turns into newyork 90 (so from newyork line to 91) the gulf stations in lee and blanford for gas are 3.07 cheapest i have seen around diesel there are in the 3.50's close to 3.60 i forget the exact number but thats normally where i see it cheapest you hit new york and it skyrockets same with ct

[Jim]

Down to $3.43/gal at Secondi bros in Milford off exit 40 from $3.59 2 weeks ago:woohoo:

[NHRedneck]

im down to $3.29 over in nashua @ the shell station across from best ford. :woohoo: i was so stoked to see the price from from what was a "cheap" $3.38 down to the $3.29:Signal73: KEEP THEM PRICES DROPPIN!!!:exactly:

[dieselnomad]

sorry, but I think it's temporary. Check out fuel / oil futures.

Also an article in the globe yesterday wrote that because of lack of an additive (adds oxygen) for gasoline, that the price of gas could go to $4.00 or higher this coming summer. How'll that effect diesel prices? Don't know, but diesel has been higher than gas for quite some time now......

[Jim]

dont worry they will come up with some excuse to stick it to us also.

[12PACK]

dont worry they will come up with some excuse to stick it to us also.


The Man keeps holding us down, doesn't he. :nutkick:

It's been just under $3.50 here. I paid $3.27 at my local home heating oil place last week. Cheaper than it's been, but still :wtf2:.

[<T M T T>]

dont worry they will come up with some excuse to stick it to us also.

Exxon Posts Record Profit on Oil Prices
By JOHN PORRETTO,AP
Posted: 2008-02-01 11:48:08
Filed Under: Earnings
HOUSTON (Feb. 1) - Exxon Mobil Corp. on Friday posted the largest annual profit by a U.S. company - $40.6 billion - as the world's largest publicly traded oil company benefited from historic crude prices at year's end.

[TORQUE THIS]

What is this crap I'm reading... they say that in April/May, the price will go up over .50 because the winter blended fuel will be done. I thought the winter blend cost more money...

[BlkRam1]

If im not mistaken we dont have a winter blend anymore:dunno: hasnt been used since ULSD came out, I think the winter blend was #2 and #1 mixed, but because of the new fuel they no longer mix it.

[97dodgectd]

If im not mistaken we dont have a winter blend anymore:dunno: hasnt been used since ULSD came out, I think the winter blend was #2 and #1 mixed, but because of the new fuel they no longer mix it.

why wouldn't we have a winter blend? some gas stations might not but i would bet most do.

[BlkRam1]

why wouldn't we have a winter blend? some gas stations might not but i would bet most do.


Read my post again, the old winter blend #2 and #1 mixed is no longer used, ULSD has additives added to it to lower the freeze point, so in a since you still have winter blend but not like everyone thinks.

read this

With the implementation of #2 ULSD along with all the other blends, refined #1 ULSD as we knew it in the past is virtually non-existent, so additives are used to lower the cloud points (from plus 20F down to minus 30F). The trade offs are still lower heat content (poorer fuel mileage) versus higher cetane numbers (improved starting) and costs.

[dieselnomad]

What is this crap I'm reading... they say that in April/May, the price will go up over .50 because the winter blended fuel will be done. I thought the winter blend cost more money...

This is because in the summer they have to add in acetelyne (sp?) - this additive oxygenates the fuel more therefore reducing the amount of fuel evaporation and cause of vapor lock.. There is a shortage of this additive - this is the stuff that replaced MTBE a couple of years ago.

It's getting so that it'll be too expensive to drive for fun - e.g. going to the track, the beach, etc.

[97dodgectd]

This is because in the summer they have to add in acetelyne (sp?) - this additive oxygenates the fuel more therefore reducing the amount of fuel evaporation and cause of vapor lock.. There is a shortage of this additive - this is the stuff that replaced MTBE a couple of years ago.

It's getting so that it'll be too expensive to drive for fun - e.g. going to the track, the beach, etc.

ohh i c i actually heard something about this on the radio at work, that these additives are pretty expensive. as you are saying maybe some ddp 2's are in order to up my fuel economy after the tranny.
vegatable oil is safe to run a 50/50 mix of when its warm out right?

[dieselnomad]

hey Ryan, these additives won't be in diesel, just gas. But, yes our fuel will probably go up too.

I don't think i would run 50/50 veg / diesel mix. Last summer I went with like 10/90 (veg oil / diesel) and I think that was OK... I only did it a few times too, i couldn't keep collecting....

Next week I'm going to a friends place where he and another dude are making biodiesel... He's almost up to 65 gal a week production.

[BlkRam1]

hey Ryan, these additives won't be in diesel, just gas. But, yes our fuel will probably go up too.

I don't think i would run 50/50 veg / diesel mix. Last summer I went with like 10/90 (veg oil / diesel) and I think that was OK... I only did it a few times too, i couldn't keep collecting....

Next week I'm going to a friends place where he and another dude are making biodiesel... He's almost up to 65 gal a week production.


Art I ran B-50 from Brattelboro and it was nice, truck ran smooth and was noticeably smoother, it has a smell however I still cant explain.

[TORQUE THIS]

Art I ran B-50 from Brattelboro and it was nice, truck ran smooth and was noticeably smoother, it has a smell however I still cant explain.

Chitlins? :smilielol:

[BlkRam1]

We have a bunch of bio suppliers in CT, and also a new bio plant proposed for Suffield CT.

http://www.biodiesel.org/buyingbiodiesel/distributors/showstate.asp?st=CT

[BlkRam1]

Chitlins? :smilielol:

Hell, you dont even have the guts to eat em, no pun intended:smilielol: .

[97dodgectd]

We have a bunch of bio suppliers in CT, and also a new bio plant proposed for Suffield CT.

http://www.biodiesel.org/buyingbiodiesel/distributors/showstate.asp?st=CT

sweet im not the sharpest tool in the shed, but im guessing b-20 red is offroad biodiesel? and is bio diesel cheaper or more than regular # 2 thats a pretty cool link.

[Jim]

im not the sharpest tool in the shed

man am I fighting the urge not to put this quote in my sig:falldownlaugh:

[BlkRam1]

man am I fighting the urge not to put this quote in my sig:falldownlaugh:

Hey Jim check out my sig:smilielol: im only gonna use it for 1 hour then you can have it.:)

[Jim]

fixed it for ya:falldownlaugh:

[BlkRam1]

fixed it for ya:falldownlaugh:

hahaha:smilielol:

[jlkinney]

Ha the smell of chitlins stewing in the pot, I smelled them while watchin a football game in a private home in Maryland once. Reminded me of sittin in the out house in atkinson maine:imo:

[BlkRam1]

Ha the smell of chitlins stewing in the pot, I smelled them while watchin a football game in a private home in Maryland once. Reminded me of sittin in the out house in atkinson maine:imo:

Wow, now thats graphic:smilielol: .

[dieselnomad]

...............AND accurate.
When I go to MD to see family,I plan on drinking lots of brown liquor and eating things that just aren't right. but everyone seems to have a good time just the same.

BUT I won't be doing this in the near future because of fuel prices.

And... I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed or whatever. PTOOMBs, our google robot has that as his sig now... HI PETE :nutkick: :smilielol:

[dieselnomad]

Art I ran B-50 from Brattelboro and it was nice, truck ran smooth and was noticeably smoother, it has a smell however I still cant explain.

Hey Todd, b50 (I'm sure you know this) is different than running 50% WVO. I've never seen a place with B50 .. well maybe never looked far west-enough of I495 in MA.

I still wouldn't run 50% WVO, it's too cold 10 months of the year here, if you ask me.

Just getting interest...
If I build a bio production plant and can produce 100Gals every to every other week, would you buy? Let me know. I might site a couple of distribution sites based on interest....

:omg: biodiesel is going to be the next prohibition thing here.. :smilielol:

[killed300ex]

art id be interested. If your serious let me know
Evan

[dieselnomad]

I'm serious. Next week I'm going to see a couple of production units (to make bio diesel) and if feasible I'll build one. I already have a network to collec about 60 gallons of WVO each week. That equals about 60 Gals of bio diesel read to use. I'll write in here with more details over the next week. Thanks Evan for the interest.
Hey, btw, is the truck ready? I think not with the foul weather and all.

[PToombs]

Hi Art! I gotta think up something new! :dunno:

[dieselnomad]

Hi Art! I gotta think up something new! :dunno:

NO pete, yer just good how you are. How's the truck project coming along? And what are you seeing for diesel prices in the western parts????? :HoleShotHolset:

[PToombs]

I got the floor out, and washed it at work on tuesday. Been sittin since. Tomorrow I hope!

Fuel, haven't looked this week! :97DodgeCTD: I think it was around 3.63. I know gas came down quite a bit, dime or so.
I should be going by tomorrow or sunday, let chu know! :HoleShotHolset:

[killed300ex]

Art not going to get the truck back till tuesday. I guess its the machine shop thats holding him up. Id say its time to find a new machine shop they will have had my head for 1 week to do it :wtf2:
Ohh well I rearranged my whole work schedule for next week so once its done I can go down and pick it up. I just want to hear it its been a month and a half now
Evan

[PToombs]

Evan, might depend on how busy they are. A week isn't bad. Most places around here are a month or better. They say a week, you call and your next! A week later, just started! Another week, oh, you need so and so.
I have a buddy with a shop. I go over and do it, or he does and I do stuff for him. He now has a crane, functional Hot Tank, blast cabinet, power to drill press, milling machine,etc. I ended up with a 2-71 detroit done, JD diesel done, pony motor for same is done and needs assembled, few lawn mowers....:woohoo: :HoleShotHolset:

[killed300ex]

Story I got from scott was he droped off 3 heads monday they got 2 done wednesday and Mine was next guess they took a vacation from wednesday to this weekend Haha ohh well it will get done sometime :falldownlaugh: I want it back so I can get some miles on it and a retourque so I can hook up to my trailer and go pick up the new parts truck

[97dodgectd]

what did you end up picking it up for?

[BlkRam1]

Hey Todd, b50 (I'm sure you know this) is different than running 50% WVO. I've never seen a place with B50 .. well maybe never looked far west-enough of I495 in MA.

I still wouldn't run 50% WVO, it's too cold 10 months of the year here, if you ask me.

Just getting interest...
If I build a bio production plant and can produce 100Gals every to every other week, would you buy? Let me know. I might site a couple of distribution sites based on interest....

:omg: biodiesel is going to be the next prohibition thing here.. :smilielol:

They only use the B-50 during the warmer months, now I think they are down to B-10 or B-5, havent been up since July. And keep me informed of your brewing activities as I loved running it, I have ran b5,b20, and the b50, all were pretty good, and to top it off I just changed my Fass filter the other day and it was still spotless after 18,000 miles:)

[Jim]

too bad you werent closer Art id snag some from ya. A couple of us used to run WVO in our trucks but we got too much in at one time and our batch kinda got crappy havent ran it since. When Im up brattleboro way I usually hop off exit 1 and top er off its a great fuel sys. lube.

[killed300ex]

art any ideas how much its gonna cost? I might be able to help you collect some up my way I dont know anyone up here doing it.
Evan

[12PACK]

Ha the smell of chitlins stewing in the pot, I smelled them while watchin a football game in a private home in Maryland once. Reminded me of sittin in the out house in atkinson maine:imo:

:worthless: NOT!!! :smilielol:

[jlkinney]

[QUOTE=dieselnomad;25153]...............AND accurate.
When I go to MD to see family,I plan on drinking lots of brown liquor and eating things that just aren't right. but everyone seems to have a good time just the same.

BUT I won't be doing this in the near future because of fuel prices.

You are so right, I generally hook on to the 5er and head that way for the kids april vacation, MD and VA are an easy run from here and then you have 5 or 6 days ofspring weather. But I aint never tried it at 3.70 a gallon

And back on to the chitlins, Our local maine walmart has them in the frozen section, but I think its the same ones that were there last year :stirthepot:

[PToombs]

Gas is $3.15, Fuel is 3.55 at the Mobil, and 3.49 at the Kwik-Fill. Diesel is down about .15 from a few weeks ago, but I'm sure it will go back up! :nutkick:

[dieselnomad]

I wish I had bought Mobile-Exxon stock a couple years back... oh well.. kinda used to being hand to mouth anyway... :nutkick:

good thing I'm making my truck ready for the "mad max" kinda days.. :stirthepot:

[BlkRam1]

And back on to the chitlins, Our local maine walmart has them in the frozen section, but I think its the same ones that were there last year

Man, I suppose you guys dont eat pig feet either, well actually I dont, but any ways, Art, when you guys come down from up north we will stop at my favorite Bar-B-Que place and ill treat ya to some candied yams, potato salad, collard greens, and a few other goodies.

[TORQUE THIS]

Ummmmmmm, pigs feet! :woohoo:

[dieselnomad]

Man, I suppose you guys dont eat pig feet either, well actually I dont, but any ways, Art, when you guys come down from up north we will stop at my favorite Bar-B-Que place and ill treat ya to some candied yams, potato salad, collard greens, and a few other goodies.

Todd, I whole heartedly welcome your invite. Sounds good to me. Sounds like what I have at my kids' birthday parties. :exactly: After their parties I usually fast for a good few days... yea right.. LOL All that stuff is so good, so ummm. We eat like that every so often anyway.. Like tonight I made over fried chicken with garlic mashed and fried collards. they eat it up, it's great. Now... Lets not forget some fried OKRA in the mix too. Plus a couple cold red-stripes, and we are done. :HoleShotHolset: Dude, when are a bunch of us meeting for lunch??? :)

[TORQUE THIS]

Art, you forgot the watermellon... :falldownlaugh:

[dieselnomad]

:smilielol: on purpose... :falldownlaugh: whenever my wife's side of the family breaks that out I'm like "um, no thanx, don't like eating sugar sand.. " :nutkick: All the other stuff is kicazz though, yum yum yuum.. .:smilielol:

[PToombs]

Man, I suppose you guys dont eat pig feet either, well actually I dont, but any ways, Art, when you guys come down from up north we will stop at my favorite Bar-B-Que place and ill treat ya to some candied yams, potato salad, collard greens, and a few other goodies.

I'll stick with ribs and wings, and fried chicken once in a while, if you don't mind! :woohoo:

[BlkRam1]

Todd, I whole heartedly welcome your invite. Sounds good to me. Sounds like what I have at my kids' birthday parties. :exactly: After their parties I usually fast for a good few days... yea right.. LOL All that stuff is so good, so ummm. We eat like that every so often anyway.. Like tonight I made over fried chicken with garlic mashed and fried collards. they eat it up, it's great. Now... Lets not forget some fried OKRA in the mix too. Plus a couple cold red-stripes, and we are done. :HoleShotHolset: Dude, when are a bunch of us meeting for lunch??? :)


Hey Art ill have to invite you over, my wife makes a mean baked maccoroni and cheese, and mom does some awesome fried green tomatoes, and fried corn, but still my all time favorite is cat fish and grits mixed with cheese:exactly:, so did you use milk or cream in your mashed tatoes? also you gotta be from the south to cook a meal like the one you made tonight, sounds great.

[dieselnomad]

That sounds like some good food, Todd. One year I worked in New Orleans for about a month and half- I ate catfish po-boys for lunch all the time. Baked macaroni is also awesome. Think I'll make some for the super bowl tonight!

[TORQUE THIS]

:wtf2: does all of this have to do with fuel prices??? :falldownlaugh:

[jlkinney]

Man, I suppose you guys dont eat pig feet either, well actually I dont, but any ways, Art, when you guys come down from up north we will stop at my favorite Bar-B-Que place and ill treat ya to some candied yams, potato salad, collard greens, and a few other goodies.

I have a friend who made his first million by opening a chineese resturant. I asked him how? He told me he bought pigs feet a 4 cents a pound and turned them into $6.00 appetizer. He opened that rest. near the sugar bush ski area.

[Smokin']

Gas is $3.15, Fuel is 3.55 at the Mobil, and 3.49 at the Kwik-Fill. Diesel is down about .15 from a few weeks ago, but I'm sure it will go back up! :nutkick:Ouch! I've been paying $3.29 a gal. for diesel in Concord, NH. Still too much...Not many places around here carry bio, but I did find one station about 50 min. west of me that has B20. I tried it once, but I'm just not sure if it's good to run all the time. I heard that it can plug filters real quick, and that additives like Stanadyne don't work in it for cold weather jelling problems...

[12PACK]

Not many places around here carry bio, but I did find one station about 50 min. west of me that has B20. I tried it once, but I'm just not sure if it's good to run all the time. I heard that it can plug filters real quick, and that additives like Stanadyne don't work in it for cold weather jelling problems...

I believe it will loosen up and gunk in the tank and line, so unless you have a new truck, you'll be replacing your fuel filter maybe sooner than you thought.

This wouldn't be fun to try this time of the year....on the side of the road......at night......trying to find where you put your spare filter. :exactly:

[BlkRam1]

I have a friend who made his first million by opening a chineese resturant. I asked him how? He told me he bought pigs feet a 4 cents a pound and turned them into $6.00 appetizer. He opened that rest. near the sugar bush ski area.

Dang, $6.00 for pigs feet, he`s gotta be rich:smilielol: .

[killed300ex]

for anyone truely wanting to start making boi ran into this today on craigslist
http://nh.craigslist.org/bfs/563189226.html
Evan

[97dodgectd]

i filled up today and it was a today of 119 to fill it up, not completely empty, and i only got 370 to the tank. from over the full line to E going up hill which is really empty. i was running about 10psi on the highway doing 65-67mph and i got about 12mpg mixed driving but mostly highway miles and it didn't last 2weeks even. so i messed around with my boost elbow to try to get some better fuel economy and i backed it out quite a bit and got my boost down to 4psi at 65mph on flat ground. If its not any better then im gonna crank the star wheel back alot and that should help me conserve fuel. im not trying to get anything like 18 or 19, just a solid 15 or 16 mpg.

[mmasuperman12]

damn and i thought 80$ today was bad, however i did get like 415 miles outta the tank some where around there...almost as good as i got when i first bought the truck and was running just low sulfur not ultra low

[95Cummins]

i filled up today and it was a today of 119 to fill it up, not completely empty, and i only got 370 to the tank. from over the full line to E going up hill which is really empty. i was running about 10psi on the highway doing 65-67mph and i got about 12mpg mixed driving but mostly highway miles and it didn't last 2weeks even. so i messed around with my boost elbow to try to get some better fuel economy and i backed it out quite a bit and got my boost down to 4psi at 65mph on flat ground. If its not any better then im gonna crank the star wheel back alot and that should help me conserve fuel. im not trying to get anything like 18 or 19, just a solid 15 or 16 mpg.


You should close it all the way so your getting full air. Now you have the same amount fuel and not getting as much air to even out the mix.

[Jim]

went up 2¢ today must be because its finally getting cold. what a scam:nutkick:

[97dodgectd]

You should close it all the way so your getting full air. Now you have the same amount fuel and not getting as much air to even out the mix.

umm running 10psi of boost on the highway or more and 12mpg no thanks, its not like i have delivery valves, and injectors. i have a 0 plate full forward and slid back a little and my star wheel turned, not that much fuel, the truck still pretty decent boost, all the way closes it made 38psi at wot torque converter locked, heres a short clip of the boost elbow almost all the way open.http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c169/ryan818/th_0209082317.jpg (http://s27.photobucket.com/albums/c169/ryan818/?action=view&current=0209082317.flv)
im probably gonna a) see how my miles per tank go up and keep the truck how it is. b)turn the starwheel back alot and see how that works. c)slid the fuel plate back to the middle, and just drive it like that untill my tranny is done.

[95Cummins]

Betcha the milage goes down. :poke:

[97dodgectd]

Betcha the milage goes down. :poke:

i'll raise your bet. its going up a good amount. i've gone almost 200 miles and im still pretty close to 3/4 tank. the truck doesn't smoke any more. i don't have big 370's like your truck does or delivery valves, or a 6 plate, or a 5spd. i have a slipping auto with a 0 plate almost full forward and the star wheel cranked.

[PToombs]

Daves been sneaking over and adding fuel to your tank. Next tank he's gonna raise the bet and not add any. Boy are you gonna fall hard! :smilielol: :falldownlaugh:

[95Cummins]

Daves been sneaking over and adding fuel to your tank. Next tank he's gonna raise the bet and not add any. Boy are you gonna fall hard! :smilielol: :falldownlaugh:

:falldownlaugh: Ya thats what I'm doin!

That doesn't make sense :dunno: decrease air, increase fuel milage?

[TORQUE THIS]

That doesn't make sense :dunno: decrease air, increase fuel milage?

:exactly: :wtf2: :dunno:

[PToombs]

Ahhh, ya just gotta consider the source! :97DodgeCTD:

[97dodgectd]

tell me how does a valet switch work again? and please explain to me how the afc housing works, cause i think im confused. im not sure about your truck but my truck operates smoke free, untill i want smoke. then its there. oh maybe my mileage isn't that bad anyways cause my speed sensor isn't adjusted for the 285's i have on my truck, my speedo is off 3mph confimed by a gps. so that means odometer isn't accurate and my trip odometer isn't correct, i actually went quite a bit further then it said if im not mistaken.

[95Cummins]

I believe the valet switch just allows your wastegate to operate normally until you switch it, then it shuts your gate off. The AFC regulates the amount of fuel at low boost (Go check out Jim's post in the Tech section.) In short, the more rack travel at low rpms, the more fuel at low boost, the more smoke. No my truck won't smoke either at low RPM's. I can drive around normally and hardly see a haze leaving a stop sign. (kinda hard with 3.54's and a 4500, esp. 3rd to 4th.)

[PToombs]

Backwards, Dave. Switch off, no boost, no fuel. On, boost, fuel, go like heck! :woohoo:

[97dodgectd]

Backwards, Dave. Switch off, no boost, no fuel. On, boost, fuel, go like heck! :woohoo:

so your saying the less boost i have down low the less fuel i will use? and less fuel used would equal to going further on what fuel i have in my tank.

[TORQUE THIS]

Just drive normal, if your that concerned about MPG.

[97dodgectd]

i do and it helped along with not running 10psi at 67mph cause 65mph is actually 67 cause i have 285's so my odometer and speedometer are not correct so im probably actually not getting the 12mpg i thought i was. 2-4psi at almost 70 is helping alot too.

[dieselnomad]

Maybe your timing is greatly slipped? Have you checked that? You should be getting more than 12mpg. I'm getting 18-20mpg this winter.

[killed300ex]

i know some trucks do get worse fuel mileage I know mine doesnt get great mileage best I have seen was 20 mpg going to NC unloaded most of the time its around 14 maybe 15 goes down if I hook to my trailer too
Evan

[97dodgectd]

no truck was just timed to 15.5* 4 months ago. my tranny slips a good amount, and my driving habbits aren't the greatest. but they are improving. alot.

[97dodgectd]

i know some trucks do get worse fuel mileage I know mine doesnt get great mileage best I have seen was 20 mpg going to NC unloaded most of the time its around 14 maybe 15 goes down if I hook to my trailer too
Evan

is that with 4.10's? i used to be able to put 5 gallons in and drive 100 miles mixed city/highway this was when my tranny was still decent, as in stock plate full forward only, and straight piped stock exhaust in front of the rear tire and a just a lock up switch. I used to be able to hammer the throttle going 5mph and just go sideways dry pavement back when i got the truck and it was loads of fun, now it just slips a lot.

[killed300ex]

3.55 hard to get a real reading though as I almost never can go a whole tank without towing or extended idling id say my milege goes from 10 mpg tp 20 mpg depending just to cover myself

[97dodgectd]

3.55 hard to get a real reading though as I almost never can go a whole tank without towing or extended idling id say my milege goes from 10 mpg tp 20 mpg depending just to cover myself

i do idle a lot like anywhere from 10min-30 mins just sitting there idling, but thats not every tank. i was hoping i had 3.55's or whatever they are, but i got stuck with 4.10's so maybe some 35's in the summer will help out with my crazy rpms on the highway.

[killed300ex]

when I had the auto I was wanting 4.10 but now with the 5 spd Im glad I still have 3.55 cause my highway rpms are still to high for my liking.

[dieselnomad]

3.85/gal spotted this AM.

Will we see 4.00/gal by the end of March? :woohoo: I think so... :nutkick:

[whitedieseltrain]

:wtf2: I thought the same riding into work today. $3.87 in Framingham!!! I just filled up over the weekend and it was only $3.39!

That is just wrong!!!

I need to get back on my bike to keep from spending $$$ on fuell.....

When is my pay going to go up so I can support my Diesel habbit!!!!:smilielol:

[matt95]

I saw 3.959 in Thomaston, CT. :wtf2: :omg:

[Aweik02]

15% of what we pay for a gallon of diesel goes towards "refining", where as 8% of a gallon of gas goes towards refining. What gives? isnt diesel fuel less refined? I dont understand how diesel fuel is more expensive than gasoline now. has there ever been a point in time where diesel fuel was more than gas, like the fuel crisis in the earlie 70s?

[95Cummins]

What about taxes? isnt that like 40%? i heard its going up in this glorious state too :dunno: :97DodgeCTD:

[<T M T T>]

I dont understand how diesel fuel is more expensive than gasoline now. ?


Because BIG OIL has found a way to reap HUGE profit from anything that runs a NON - OLINE product. Think about it

Travel industry HAS to keep going or economy WILL fail but EVERY JET uses JP which is kero based .. diesel.

TRUCKING industry CANNOT fail with billions of $$ of product that ABSULUTLY needs to be moved .... Diesel ... got em by the balls

Rail ... Diesel

Construction .... Diesel

Power generation ... diesel (Take new york)

HEATING ..... diesel

Shipping ..... diesel

Ships (Cruise, freight, and military) ... oh wow diesel powered generators.

DIesel in ANY form as mentioned above is indeed the least expensive to produce but reaps HUGE profit because we have NO CHOICE!

The GVT has their hands in every corner and what is this now ..... FEDERAL FINES for running veggie ... Boo flippin' hoo they cant get their pressious tax dollars and BIG OIL cant get their share so they impose HUGE rediculous fines upon those they catch.

[05lonestar]

15% of what we pay for a gallon of diesel goes towards "refining", where as 8% of a gallon of gas goes towards refining. What gives? isnt diesel fuel less refined? I dont understand how diesel fuel is more expensive than gasoline now. has there ever been a point in time where diesel fuel was more than gas, like the fuel crisis in the earlie 70s?

gas is the by-product of refining diesel. years ago before the car, they never knew what to do with the crap..... go figure

[12PACK]

http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/oog/info/wohdp/diesel.asp gives average diesel prices from around the country.

http://www.tbabz.com/CrudeOilDieselPrice.htm is another site with some info.

For a real :nutkick: http://www.nyserda.org/Energy_Information/nyep11.pdf gives NY state energy prices.

[dieselnomad]

http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/oog/info/wohdp/diesel.asp gives average diesel prices from around the country.

http://www.tbabz.com/CrudeOilDieselPrice.htm is another site with some info.

For a real :nutkick: http://www.nyserda.org/Energy_Information/nyep11.pdf gives NY state energy prices.

These links have some great reading. I found this very informative page from the first link above. It explains all about taxes, supply/demand effect on pricing, etc. Worth a read...

http://www.eia.doe.gov/bookshelf/brochures/diesel/index.html

Some of it is just maddening. Diesel shouldn't be taxed higher than gas, imho. and, they should be refining more diesel from crude than gas.. it's disproportionate

[jlkinney]

$3.87 here in maine now

[rufushusky]

Yeah the best I have found is 3.59 in weymouth....Man these prices are creeping up on the highest fuel prices I ever paid, 3.89 two years ago on the Main Line in PA. Oh that was a fun fill up. I hope prices go down a little when it gets warmer, I hope, in a few weeks.

[12PACK]

I hope prices go down a little when it gets warmer, I hope, in a few weeks.

It's $3.79 at a couple of stations in town. I only put 20 gallons in this morn, hoping the price will drop as you say. I paid $3.61 at my local oil company. When I called to get the price, I was asked if I wanted the price for on or off road. I bet the red stuff is going to get tempting for some on road users. :nono:

We need a big northeast heat wave, not more snow like what's coming tonight.

[Jim]

will be doing WVO/WMO in the 95 as soon as it warms up a little.:exactly:

[rufushusky]

We need a big northeast heat wave, not more snow like what's coming tonight.

Yeah I hear the snow tonight is not supposed to be too bad and supposed to be washed out by the rain tomorrow. Man I am tired of the snow...I hope it is warm enough for me to FINALLY put my bypass filter and Cat 2 micron filter on....

[12PACK]

I'm in the 4"-8" area, but with 300 lbs of wood pellets in my bed and my new in August Michelin AT/2's, once again snow will be my beee-otch! :smilielol:

[rufushusky]

I'm in the 4"-8" area, but with 300 lbs of wood pellets in my bed and my new in August Michelin AT/2's, once again snow will be my beee-otch! :smilielol:

Haha yeah I am in the lower end of the storm..I am sooo tired of snow...seriously we need to this madness...

[05lonestar]

$4.05 in greenwich today

[dieselnomad]

$4.05 in greenwich today

:omg: There we go!!! Not even March yet... Its getting too expensive....... to drive much..... :nutkick:
filled up my wife's car today, for 2nd time this week. 87.00 in fuel for this vehicle since Monday. :nutkick: at this rate i'll need a second job...

[PToombs]

I thought I saw 3.95 today, but I'm not sure. The usually high price place was 3.75. :ThrowUp:

[rufushusky]

$4.05 in greenwich today

Oh no! I remember when gas hit 2.00 a gallon, stations were selling 87 at 1.95, 89 at 1.97 and 91/93 at 1.99 but once the first place hit 2.00 everyone ran way up! Man I really hope that does not happen again with diesel.....ugh:stirthepot: Man this crap makes me want to get a TDI....

[dieselnomad]

4.00/gal seen on Rt 1 in Wrentham (sp?) MA today. This was at the first mobil headed north on on Rt 1 from I495. Once it's at 4/gal, it can only keep going up.

What are you going to do when it's 4/gal everywhere? Now we're talking a trip to the local pizza joint 16 miles away MIGHT cost over 8bux to travel to and from... Either you won't go, or you won't care.. one begets the other.. :nutkick:

[sooter]

$4/gal? my god. mowing prices are going up, sheesh.

[jlkinney]

$4.00 here in north york county now.... Hey Sooter I was asked by some of my commercial accounts that if I wanted to retain I had to cut by 20%, To which i replied diesel was $2.60 at this time last year now it is at 4 Sorry no discounts....

[jlkinney]

$4/gal? my god. mowing prices are going up, sheesh.

Sooter your rigs For Sale? Why?

[DOUG]

I saw $3.99.9/10 today for diesel just north of Boston in Medford.

[Jim]

its really disgusting...

[95Cummins]

Especially when gas is 3.21

[97dodgectd]

just saw 3.99 in manchester on my way home from coffee night. the value of a dollar being as low as it is can't be helping much either and no matter what the price of diesel or gas is people will still be willing to pay for it and everyone has a diesel car or truck now so that doesn't help the price of diesel at all either.

[sooter]

i just paid $3.99/gal in falmouth, me yesterday. i cried a little.

[dieselnomad]

110.55 to fill up last night. @ 3.84/gal

I don't know what to do if it gets more expensive. Definitely driving really easy now, no more intentional soot clouds.

And, unfortunately my bio-diesel production project isn't really taking off- restauarants are getting more hesitant to give the waste oil -seems they've caught on to the fact that it is a valuable by-product. :(

[sooter]

that's one of the reasons i'm trying to sell my baby:nopityA: to get an older truck that i can truely work (plow/dump or dump insert,etc) and to help get my debt down. these fuel prices aren't making any easier.

rough winter

[12PACK]

I've got the Ice Truckers show from the History channel on. How much more are these guys paying per litre from last year? Imagine having to sit on the road due to an accident ahead of you, having to keep the truck running to keep it warm, and watching some of your profits disappear. What a :nutkick: that is.

[turbo246]

due to the price of fuel...theres no more "oh lets take the truck for a change, or lets stop here to" fuel is a killer, i also have a nissan sentra, thats all i drive now due to the price im lucky if that cummins even gets started once a week. its rediculous

[97dodgectd]

must be nice to choose if you want over 30mpg or around 20 and only have to pay for the fuel. so im guessing your not gonna buy your own truck anymore your gonna buy a little car of your own now? i filled it up earlier pump 3 mobil 2.89 and the damage was 140 but thats good for 2 weeks maybe 3 weeks if i drive it like it will break if i do any sudden moves.

[sooter]

yeah, there is a point where owning another vehicle (usually car) isn't necessarily worth the extra money by saving some bucks on fuel. depeds on your situation. add in initial cost, insurance, and the difference in fuel cost you could be paying more/the same in the end and not being happy driving a car. but if you travel 200 miles a day, well, then a car is better...especially a 50mpg vw diesel

[TORQUE THIS]

$4.19 in Derby.:nutkick:

[97dodgectd]

thats why it would have been much wiser to for me to have bought a tdi for 7k then my truck cause then i would still have a turbo diesel and then buy a truck when i can. but i needed and still do need the truck for cuttin lawns so i can't really sell it.

[turbo246]

yeah, there is a point where owning another vehicle (usually car) isn't necessarily worth the extra money by saving some bucks on fuel. depeds on your situation. add in initial cost, insurance, and the difference in fuel cost you could be paying more/the same in the end and not being happy driving a car. but if you travel 200 miles a day, well, then a car is better...especially a 50mpg vw diesel

i see your point, but i always had the little nissan sentra, so if they are both sitting in the driveway i will always take the sentra...getting 30+mpg, and i hate driving cars to boot. but you have to do what you have to do :dunno:

[TORQUE THIS]

$4.15 in Bridgeport:nutkick:

[PToombs]

Mark, you driving around looking for cheap fuel? :nutkick:

[killed300ex]

i saw 4.19 last night in amsbury when I was on ym way home

[TORQUE THIS]

Passed it on the way home from church.

I hear it is up to $4.39 in Ohio from another board I'm on.

[<T M T T>]

$3.96 Mobil on the corner of hawley and nichols in stratford/trumbull

[<T M T T>]

http://wtnh.tv/blogs/index.php/weather/2008/03/08/diesel-drama-prices-break-4-in-ct

[95Cummins]

$3.96 Mobil on the corner of hawley and nichols in stratford/trumbull

What a bargain! :smilielol:

[rolandj]

3.90 down here in NJ and every day it goes up a few cents more fri was 3.79 didnt look yet today it prob hit 4.00

[trackspeeder]

$3.99 here.

[PToombs]

I saw 4.09 here today. I was slightly refreshed when at the next corner I saw 3.99. :smilielol:

[dieselnomad]

I saw 4.09 here today. I was slightly refreshed when at the next corner I saw 3.99. :smilielol:

LOL did you powder yourself too? :smilielol: :nutkick: :HoleShotHolset: j/k.

don't fall into the "oh, it's not that bad everywhere trap..." cause it is, and it's gonna get a lot A LOT worse.

[sooter]

can you say "recession"?

[dieselnomad]

can you say "recession"?

Of the never ending kind? Yes, r-e-c-e-s-s-i-o-n.

[sooter]

i'm assuming we're gonna have to get used to the prices like europe or canada has. it would be nice if the government could/would put a cap on oil prices.


do you remember when your car payment used to be the big expense per month? now it's insurance and fuel.

[jlkinney]

The canadian prices continue to climb as ours climb, as there gov will not reduce fuel taxes. Talked to an oil delivery guy today and asked him what the price was on his heating oil? $3.54 per gal. Later I topped off the wifes car at $3.29 for gas. We need drill bits , and more trans alaska pipe lines.

[PToombs]

Saw 4.12 where I usually fill the service truck. :eek:

[dieselnomad]

We should leave Alaska alone. It's a treasure.

What we should do is stop exporting manufacturing and production jobs to developing countries that are oil starved. Thereby lowering their need for oil. We should also stop giving away some of our reserves as a "good nature" act to countries which are oil starved. Production isn't necessarily the problem, consumption and need supersede that ..

[<T M T T>]

can you say "recession"?

Can you say our American Dollar is worth Squazzolli. It is SO worthless that the Government is giving it away as a "Rebate" So we can pay off crap that is allready out on credit. Shopping malls are HANDING OUT 50 dollar bills to use anywhere in the mall for 1 month in New York. We BOUGHT BACK bad debt from China to renew our "Solvency".

Look at the price of Gold. 900+ an Oz. Gee before the dollar went to a FEDERAL RESERVE NOTE it was a SILVER CERTIFICATE. A silver certificate is a bill formerly issued as legal tender by the U.S. government in representation of deposited silver bullion and were used for some time as a form of paper currency backed by silver.

Each certificate or bill, was matched to the same amount of value in silver. A fifty dollar bill therefore was backed by 50 dollar worth of silver. A Fedral Reserve Note is barely worth the fabric it is printed on.

[dieselnomad]

$4.10 in Holliston, MA today. Cheapest I can now find is 3.99 9/10.

OK, expect the big slowdown anytime now... I know that tonight, once I get home, truck gets parked and powered down and probably stays that way until Monday :nutkick:

Also was told by a bio-dieseler last night that if you get caught with the home grown in your truck/tank on the roads, 10K fine, possible jail time since taxes were not collected on the home brewed diesel. And we live in a free country? If I remember my history classes, wasn't a big catalyst for the american revolution unfair taxation? Taxation without representation? :falldownlaugh: :nutkick:

[TORQUE THIS]

I read on CNN / MSNBC or one of them sites that diesel is over $5 in CA and headed this way... :nutkick:

[dieselnomad]

No doubt, it'll happen, just when.

I wish there was a way to disable some of the cynlinders on the cummins- like to make it run on 3-cyl mode to be better economy... :smilielol:

[97dodgectd]

$4.10 in Holliston, MA today. Cheapest I can now find is 3.99 9/10.

If I remember my history classes, wasn't a big catalyst for the american revolution unfair taxation? Taxation without representation? :falldownlaugh: :nutkick:

Im pretty sure its NO taxation without representation.

[12PACK]

I wish there was a way to disable some of the cynlinders on the cummins- like to make it run on 3-cyl mode to be better economy.

The low powered Cummins are out there. They're called 12 valves. :stirthepot: :nutkick: :smilielol:

[dieselnomad]

Im pretty sure its NO taxation without representation.

You're right, but I meant what I wrote :smilielol: ...'cause, really, who's looking out for us? some suit in the concrete city? oh yea, right.

The low powered Cummins are out there. They're called 12 valves. :stirthepot: :nutkick: :smilielol:

Oh, i see how you are... :smilielol:

[95Cummins]

It was $4.18 in Canaan, CT this morning, 4.36 by lunch time. :dunno:

[DOUG]

I wish there was a way to disable some of the cynlinders on the cummins- like to make it run on 3-cyl mode to be better economy... :smilielol:

The cold idle feature on a 24V brings up the idle to 1200rpm when the temp is less than 30*, when it's less than 15* it shuts off 3 cylinders to warm the engine quicker.
If you could figure a way to tap into that feature, you might have something!!!

[dieselnomad]

The cold idle feature on a 24V brings up the idle to 1200rpm when the temp is less than 30*, when it's less than 15* it shuts off 3 cylinders to warm the engine quicker.
If you could figure a way to tap into that feature, you might have something!!!

hmm. i need a 24-v truck to experiment with. I'm pretty good with serial programming to microprocessors, but don't have access to anything like a 24v. A smarty owner might want to request this as a feature add to their product. A 3-cyl truck would probably be pretty bad, but a 4-cyl might be ok. Also, by reducing the cyl count mileage should go up so this really might be a worthwhile venture... I'll chase it if anyone else is interested... I might be alone (interested that is ) for my mileage / fuel bill...

[12PACK]

A 3-cyl truck would probably be pretty bad, but a 4-cyl might be ok. Also, by reducing the cyl count mileage should go up so this really might be a worthwhile venture.

You're still moving alot of weight so mileage might not increase. Something like MDS would be nice, but I'm not sure how that would work in a diesel.

[PToombs]

Won't work Art! Then you are just dragging the 3 cylinders along, you need to keep the valves open.
Why don't you just put in a 4bt? It should bolt right up, you 8 valver! :poke:

[dieselnomad]

:idea: didn't think of that, thanks Pete.

A 4bt would be cool, like in a jeep or a ford ranger...

[TORQUE THIS]

$4.39 here in Bridgeport this am, yesterday at the same station was $4.09

[PToombs]

The Mobil outside of town here went from 4.15 on thursday nite to 4.25 on friday morning! :wtf2:
I can tell ya it's climbing steadily around here. The corner diner said I could have their fryer oil. It's only 5-10 gallons a week though. Better'in nuttin'! :HoleShotHolset:

[12PACK]

The place I used to buy from went from $3.84 10-14 days ago to $4.15 now. 87 octane is $3.15. I've never seen that much of a spread.

[dieselnomad]

My favorite topic- oil prices. Which, btw, I'm not allowed to talk about at home anymore, I was told I'm scarring the kids :omg: :wtf2: GFY!

Look at the first page. We are now paying almost a 1.200+ more than one year ago. Yet, there was a distinct quiet from May until Oct/nov of last year. Hmm.. And, we've been paying through the nose since November of last year. Now we're getting around 4/gal. When's it going to break? or When's one of us gonna break? :stirthepot:

[sooter]

like i said before, go buy fresh straight vegetable oil at sams club or something sheesh.

[dieselnomad]

like i said before, go buy fresh straight vegetable oil at sams club or something sheesh.

Is that what you did with your truck before you decided to sell? Which, BTW, I saw the ad on CL - I hope you get what you are asking, it's a nice looking rig and the tow mirrors are awesome. Good luck with that.

[PToombs]

About $25 for 5 gallons, that figures out to $5 per gallon! Diesel's cheaper than that, for now! :poke: :smilielol: