truck still broke

[spanky]

my trucks been in the shop for a LONG time now . he thought it was my injector pump. hes changed that and its still not running. he said its saying something about its throwing codes about electric problem to the pump . he thinks it might b the lift pump.. does this sound right. my luck it might b the comp is ****ed up

[Warpig]

My advise to you, is to get your truck out of that shop before he starts replacing everything. It's obvious that he does not know a thing about ctd's. The comp should be turned off or disconnected for any diagnostics. If you had a new injection pump put in, it's a no brainer to replace the cheap $100.00 lift pump. Bring it to a qualified diesel shop. If you need a reference let me know.

[dieselnomad]

My advise to you, is to get your truck out of that shop before he starts replacing everything. It's obvious that he does not know a thing about ctd's. The comp should be turned off or disconnected for any diagnostics. If you had a new injection pump put in, it's a no brainer to replace the cheap $100.00 lift pump. Bring it to a qualified diesel shop. If you need a reference let me know.

ahem man, get it out and to somewhere that'll fix the problem. 2-yrs ago I had my truck towed from one bad shop (LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOng story) to massDiesel and had everything taken care of..

bottom line is that a lot of shop/garages/dealers, are going to be learning on your vehicle so it's wise to get it going and start knowing what you have... :) Just my opinion and experience..

[spanky]

if i had the tools and means to fix it i would do it myself. just dont have that so im stuck going to shops to pay for the work .
. what are good diesel shops around south eastern ct could find many?

[PRattenbury]

PM the pig. He'll hook you up.

[spanky]

pm sent.. latest from the guy ,,he changed both pumps now. said hes tried a bunch of other things, and still runs like .... . he calling around trying to find people to help to fix it .i really give up. he said there are 2 codes being thrown for electrical problems in the fuel system. . i own 2 vehicles and neither run. i started to rebuild my jeep bc i bought the dodge .... now i have no car for 3 months

[TORQUE THIS]

Where and who is this?????????????? PM me if you don't want to put it on the boards. I would be more than happy to help you out, get it out of there!

[PRattenbury]

pm sent.. latest from the guy ,,he changed both pumps now. said hes tried a bunch of other things, and still runs like .... . he calling around trying to find people to help to fix it .i really give up. he said there are 2 codes being thrown for electrical problems in the fuel system. . i own 2 vehicles and neither run. i started to rebuild my jeep bc i bought the dodge .... now i have no car for 3 months


Dude, there's lots and lots (did I say lots?) of knowledge lurking around the shop at Derby. I don't know who the knucklehead is that's raking you over the coals right now, but if those guys are willing to help (and they're all great guys) you need to bring your truck to them. No chit.

[dieselnomad]

I can't believe the guy working on it started calling around to see if someone else could work on /fix it... Spanky, time to make a call to a wrecker and get your truck out of there. Who knows what else might be screwed up by the time you get it back... like I said before, I learned this the hard way... These trucks (dodge cummins) are not common and the casual mechanic can do some real wrong with these trucks..... Just my opinion, I hope it works out for you.

[95Cummins]

Your right Art, and I see it at the shop I work at. The two guys I work with have a combined 50 years of mechanics experiance but still can't seem to grasp the whole diesel aspect.

[killed300ex]

If you are looking for free knowledge deffinitly talk with the guys from Derby lots of info from them. Also if you are needing hep with a tow let us know I am sure someone can help ya out in your situation I know i would if I was closer. (Maybe I still can)
Evan

[miller time]

PM sent......

[spanky]

thanks everyone for the support . i know i should get it outta there but just dont feel like pulling it from other shop. the first place i brought it to was a dealership and they wanted 2800 for the job. and this guys its at now said he can do it cheaper. so i gave it a shot....... i just want my baby back :nutkick:

[Warpig]

Spanky, find out what codes are present and post them here, maybe someone here can help this guy resolve your problemo.

[Ramdriver15]

fass fuel system u say??? before or after the problems???? my uncle and his buddies have had issues with those not working! our friend has 500 hp on his stock lift and injection pump. he bored out the holes and instaled larger fittings. He has 500 hp with his ege drag comp turned off! He has a phat shaft and some big ol' injectors. Point is his fass lasted one sled pull, then broke, his stock lift pump has lasted longer and is still stronge!

Make sure ur fass is good and check fuel pressure!!!!!! dont read codes and throw parts!!!!! biggest mistake!!!!!! just my input...

[spanky]

ill call tomorrow and ask him what they are. heres what ive been told( please dont kill me on my grammar lol).
first though it was running like ass bc my wastegate was stuck closed.
then got a new injector pump in it still ran for a couple sec then staled out. then tried the lift pump still the same thing. he say it was throwing 2 other codes that were staying something in the electrical in the fuel delivery was ....ed up . thinks it might be like a bad connection somewhere. im going to get hit with like 20 hrs of labor probably going to get killed with this bill :-\

[spanky]

ramdriver15 i havent bought a fass system yet going to once i get the truck back

[TORQUE THIS]

Sounds like the air wasn't bled from the lines...

[Warpig]

Sounds like the air wasn't bled from the lines...

Wouldn't that be something :wtf2:

[spanky]

yea soo everyone thing this guy doesnt no what hes talking about then ..............wow not good :mad:

[sooter]

yeah, a fuel pressure gauge and a code reader would do wonders. hell, you'd save a ton of dough at the derby shop with 5 guys trying to figure the problem out for free.

note: if your wastegate was stuck closed, you should have been getting an overboost code where the engine would defuel itself (hence less power).

try to get the code #'s and any more info then we can all give you some more adive.

[spanky]

ill call in the am and post as soon as i talk to him
thanks you all

[Warpig]

Well, he should of had the problem diagnosed in a day or two if he knew what he was doing. If he in fact charges you 20 hrs. labor for being ignorant, he should eat it. If he didn't bleed the lines of air as Torque pointed out, it would stall for sure. Is there a chance you have bad fuel? Also, there is a screen in the tank that can get clogged. Why did he change the injection pump in the first place?

[sooter]

side note: it's really hard to bleed the lines from the lift pump to the injection pump (especially if yo uhave a big fuel line kit) without opening up the plug the leftside of the inlet on the vp44 injection pump. just a stupid idea:idea:

spanky, where were the original symptoms? did the truck die or did you take it in for low power?

[Warpig]

Bleed the lines where they screw in to the connector tubes, there soot buddy :exactly:

[spanky]

just started running like crap no throttle response.. and once again i dont have a fass yet it said soon in my sig.. bad fuel no idea if i got that. ill ask about the filtyer thing in the tank too..

really though thank you everyone for the input i have alot to talk to the guy about tomorrow

[Warpig]

There's a couple tell tale signs an injection pump has gone bad. You have intermittent dead pedal while driving, truck won't start, along with the dreaded P216 death code.

[PRattenbury]

The Pig is right. If he fumbled around for 20 hours trying to figure out what's wrong and didn't fix the truck, he should be considering it a waste of 20 hours of HIS TIME, not YOUR MONEY. If he charges you for not fixing it, he's an a-hole that doesn't deserve anyone else's business.

[spanky]

the lift pump should b running at around 18 psi right 15 while wide open. just double checkin this info

[TORQUE THIS]

On a stock truck with no mods... 18 is very good, but the pump is only rated for 15. :dunno: If everything is perfect, yes 15 is the number. Start putting on mods and the 15 drops to "0" real fast. :exactly:

What other info is there?

[jlkinney]

Did you get your rig outta here yet???

[jlkinney]

the lift pump should b running at around 18 psi right 15 while wide open. just double checkin this info

13 to 15 idle but 5 psi would supply fuel to a new injection pump and the rig would run

[sooter]

Bleed the lines where they screw in to the connector tubes, there soot buddy :exactly:

i do of course, but filling up the big fuel lines up to the vp44 are a pain if you don't open up the bleeder screw to the left of the fuel inlet on the vp44 (i don't know if this mechanic is smart enough to do so...:Paully6: )

i can understand an hour, or maybe a couple, but 20? at what, $70/hr or so?

[spanky]

called twice today and he wasnt there . never called me back this has become a pattern... ill have a car tomorrow im going to swing by. what a cluster f%ck this has been :dunno:

[spanky]

i can understand an hour, or maybe a couple, but 20? at what, $70/hr or so?


well hes had it for 3 and a half months has to be up there by now ...

[Warpig]

Spanky, I'm no mechanic by any means, but I'm willing to help you. Get your truck out of there, and I'll help you get it fixed. PM me if you need details.

[spanky]

thanks pig at this point hes gonig to have to have it done soon i mean not much left he can do. i dont think its worth it to go through all the trouble of pulling it outta there now just yet (i no i sound like a retard) but with my work schedule ill have to time to work on it. have to have someone else

[Warpig]

I wasn't talking about fixing it myself. You need a qualified mechanic at this point, if anything, to document all the mistakes that have been made.

[spanky]

gotcha gotcha thanks ill let u no

[spanky]

go here are the codes ....
P1689, P1688, P0252, P0251, yea im getting 4 freaking codes and he said not air in the lines he checked all that good and redid some crappy looking lines. he said no codes are specific codes the first to just mean the injection pump the second to basic electrical problem codes

[TORQUE THIS]

P1688 (M) Internal Fuel Injection Pump
Controller Failure
Internal problem within the fuel injection pump. Low
power, engine derated, or engine stops.

P1689 (M) No Communication Between ECM
and Injection Pump Module
Data link circuit failure between ECM and fuel injection
pump. Low power, engine derated, or engine stops.

P0251 (M) Fuel Inj. Pump Mech. Failure Fuel
Valve Feedback Circuit
Problem sensed with fuel circuit internal to fuel injection
pump.

I don't see a 0252 in the list...



The 1689 is always there. (always there for me) The others are probably still there from the original failure and haven't been cleared yet.

Said it once, I'll say it again... GET IT OUT OF THERE!

[Warpig]

Sounds like he never changed the injection pump, or the new pump is no good.

[spanky]

what do u think of this .. a solinoed in the tranny stick messing with the throttle messing with the comp causing it to run like ass ? ummm dude im running outta ideas

[PRattenbury]

I got an idea. Get it the lell outta that shop and bring it to someone who knows what the f@ck he's doing. :idea:

[dieselnomad]

I did a search for "cummins error code P0252 " on google. Got to here:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=cummins+error+code+P0252+&btnG=Google+Search
Looked at the first link:
http://store.dodge-diesel.org/dev/printthread.php?threadid=60520

Someone there said the vp44 is toast. Could be, dunno, I'm not a mechanic, especially with any newer vehicle :smilielol:

BUT, did the feller working on your truck ever clear these codes and can he get it running?

I agree w/ Mark, you should really get it out of there...

A couple of weeks in the shop... MAYBE.. needing to order parts and what not. Three months, no way.

Spanky, it's really hard, but once I had to go down to a shop where my truck was to rescue it ... from the waiting room i called a wrecker and then said to the service manager, "give me my truck right now". We argued for quite awhile and it became quite a scene but I left with my truck over an hour later and learned a very big lesson.

good luck, man, i hope this ends soon ...

ps. I wouldn't wait to see what he comes up with next, I think all that's been proven is that he cannot fix the truck.

[BlkRam1]

go here are the codes ....
P1689, P1688, P0252, P0251, yea im getting 4 freaking codes and he said not air in the lines he checked all that good and redid some crappy looking lines. he said no codes are specific codes the first to just mean the injection pump the second to basic electrical problem codes



p0252 is fuel injection pump fuel valve stuck

If he installed a new VP it sounds like it is bad also or he didnt clear the previous codes, is the Comp disconnected from the pump wire itself? the reason I ask is because my TST threw some of the same codes, didnt realize it till we installed a new VP and it did the same thing, so as Warpig said make sure the box is not connected to the pump wire, good luck, and go get your truck, nothing on these things take 2 weeks to fix.

Just realized ark already posted, sorry.:)

[TORQUE THIS]

nothing on these things take 2 weeks to fix.



Unless you own a 12 valve like Ratman... :smilielol:

[PRattenbury]

That wasn't very nice. Are you trying to hurt my feelings? :SmackBottom:

[TORQUE THIS]

Just stating the facts... :popcorn:

[PRattenbury]

So pretending I'm sensitive isn't gonna work, huh? :TqT:

[TORQUE THIS]

Do you need a hug? :falldownlaugh:

[jlkinney]

Just guessing here but thought I saw this on tdr once. ecm wiring plug dirty/loose/bad connection?

[PRattenbury]

Do you need a hug? :falldownlaugh:

Naww. I'll just give you a nice GFY. :smokin:

[TORQUE THIS]

Just guessing here but thought I saw this on tdr once. ecm wiring plug dirty/loose/bad connection?

Could be, but in this case, I doubt it. The most common thing is forgetting the APPS plug (for me anyway)

Naww. I'll just give you a nice GFY. :smokin:

Thank you sir, may I have another... :smilielol:

[BlkRam1]

Where did the remanned VP come from, if it is black in color it could be a remanned CZECH unit that usually is no good, just a thought.

[jlkinney]

Where did the remanned VP come from, if it is black in color it could be a remanned CZECH unit that usually is no good, just a thought.

What vendor is supplying them? I want to get them on my Not favorites list.

[BlkRam1]

What vendor is supplying them? I want to get them on my Not favorites list.


You wont find to many of em these days, but they are still around:exactly: , you will know it when you see it.

[BlkRam1]

Any updates???

[PRattenbury]

I got the feeling I was speaking to a brick wall.:dontgetit:

[spanky]

am i the brick wall lol . i went there today ... the guy fest up and said he really knew nothing about the fuel system and talked do a company that does. he put a new injection pump in with a bad lift pump . and it fried the new injection pump . the new part are all in route to his shop. At this point ill let him put the new parts on if that doesnt fix . i will b towing it outta there. i know everyone would of pulled it outta there alot sooner than me. but since the parts are on there way ill wait ......dont think im a dumb ass :Paully6:

[killed300ex]

Hope it fixes your problem. And you get your truck back soon. When does he expect to have it back to you??? Also he mentioned $?? Hope he doesnt try to screw you over after having your truck for 3 months.
Evan

[PToombs]

There's always option C, get the truck, AND the parts, and have someone qualified put in the new pumps.
I would talk money before you let him put the new stuff on. Tim or somebody can tell you how long it takes to swap a VP. That will give you an idea what it should cost.

[spanky]

we talked a bit about money looks like ill be making out pretty good not as good as i like but im not getting screwed. parts will all b there by monday. should have it back monday night or tuesday morning . if this fixes the problem . keep ur fingers crossed

[TORQUE THIS]

Anything yet? :popcorn:

[spanky]

not yet im callin b4 i go in to work . dont no how long it take to change a injection pump and lift pump

[TORQUE THIS]

WELL???? :poke:

[Warpig]

?????????????????. somethings fishy!!!!!

[killed300ex]

He said call right before work my guess is hes at work. Probably cant get on a comp give him a little time. Whats another day on 3 months anyways :dunno:
Evan

[dieselnomad]

He said call right before work my guess is hes at work. Probably cant get on a comp give him a little time. Whats another day on 3 months anyways :dunno:
Evan

spankster just seen on another thread.


Spanky, what's up? fixed yet? Do you want to get rid of it? let me know...

[killed300ex]

I noticed that shortly after I posted. :wtf2:
Evan

[spanky]

hey dieselnomad do i know you ? .... sorry

[killed300ex]

So did you get it back?

[dieselnomad]

hey dieselnomad do i know you ? .... sorry

no, i was just asking what's up w/ your truck? :smilielol:

[TORQUE THIS]

:popcorn: :dunno: :poke:

[spanky]

sorry man lol i forget people im horrible with that :Paully6: . and yea these dudes are jack ass's the ass hole forgot to pick up my lift pump from the dealership... i no i no im a retard for keeping it there blah blah. i should pulled it outta there for sure but with the pump being in my town now it really isnt worth it to pull it out now . lol sorry if u think im a dumb ass for keeping it their :HoleShotHolset: dont hate me :dunno:

[Jim]

no hate just pity:omg:

[jlkinney]

sorry man lol i forget people im horrible with that :Paully6: . and yea these dudes are jack ass's the ass hole forgot to pick up my lift pump from the dealership... i no i no im a retard for keeping it there blah blah. i should pulled it outta there for sure but with the pump being in my town now it really isnt worth it to pull it out now . lol sorry if u think im a dumb ass for keeping it their :HoleShotHolset: dont hate me :dunno:


Can he still? or why would they get a lift pump from the dealer....Ithought all they had was the intank pumps.

[Warpig]

Should put a FASS pump on there for the insurance

[spanky]

getting one as soo as i get the truck lol

[PToombs]

getting one as soon as i get the truck lol

Some time around March....... :nutkick:

:popcorn:

[spanky]

Some time around March....... :nutkick:

:popcorn:


im shooting to get it back as a Christmas present :smilielol:

[PToombs]

Hey! That's an idea! :exactly: Hope it works out for ya. :HoleShotHolset:

[HomeBeerBrewer]

Hey Spanky, I've read this entire thread, and it seems you're afraid to stand up to this guy. Do you know him at all? Has he ever worked on anything of yours before this? If the answer to either question is "No", then get it the hell out of that shop and to someone who knows what they're doing. If the answer to the first question is "Yes", then explain to him that you understand that he would like to help, at at this point, you think it's best to take the truck to a "specialist" (someone who works on these every day). After 3 months, I think he'll understand.

Either way, after you get it, make sure you get it to someone who knows what they are doing to make sure everything is right.

[spanky]

my father brought the work truck from his company there for years and he is known as a reliable and trustworthy guy :dunno: . when my father was talking to a few guys they were shocked. i talked to him today the refurbished pump is going to b done tomorrow and installed first thing monday for sure this time. i and im not afriad to talk up to him i did just this wed and got everything worked out will see

[HomeBeerBrewer]

Well then, all I can say is "Good luck".

[Warpig]

Spanky, what does this mean: "the refurbished pump is going to b done tomorrow and installed first thing monday"? I understand the Monday install, but don't understand that the pump will be refurbished tomorrow part. Your mechanic can not service an injection pump. :dunno:

[dieselnomad]

Did you get the truck back yet?

[spanky]

there rebuilding the pump and it will b finished with all the updates on sat . and he will put it on monday ... and obviously i didnt get it back yet lol ull no when i do

[PRattenbury]

Who's rebuilding the pump? I hope it's not the clueless individual that's had the truck this far. I believe the officer was alluding to the same.

[Warpig]

I'm so confused :97DodgeCTD:

[PRattenbury]

Because you don't know who the officer I was speaking of is?

[Warpig]

Spanky tried to answer my question, but I don't understand :dunno: And, that's Lieutenant (not officer) to you!! :exactly:

[PRattenbury]

I'll get your identity right one of these days, Mr. Warpig!

[Warpig]

Just call me Sir, and you'll be ok :falldownlaugh:

[TORQUE THIS]

Are you a "made" man yet?

[Warpig]

Are you a "made" man yet?

Tuesday 5:30pm P.A.L. Recreation Center 64 Division Street Waterbury, Connecticut. Coffee nights will be few and far in-between :wtf2:

[Jim]

spanky did you buy this truck off a guy named Pete?

[TORQUE THIS]

Tuesday 5:30pm P.A.L. Recreation Center 64 Division Street Waterbury, Connecticut. Coffee nights will be few and far in-between :wtf2:

There is always Saturday nights... :falldownlaugh:

[Jim]

There is always Saturday nights... :falldownlaugh:

Throw a shoe!!:exactly:

[Warpig]

Throw a shoe!!:exactly:

There is always Saturday nights... :falldownlaugh:

I can throw shoes real well, use to throw a lot on mids. I haven't called in sick in over 6 years though. Saturdays are no better than Fridays.

[spanky]

spanky did you buy this truck off a guy named Pete?
i bought it off alittle dealership in Naugy riverside auto or something

[jlkinney]

Spanky, Whats up with your rig:popcorn: